Saturday, February 21, 2009

Still More Reaction to the HIP

I got a valuable contribution from my best college friend. He writes:


Dave,

. . . First, the biggest problem is selling the idea. It sounds good, but who in the government is going to buy it? Democrats don't trust that people are smart enough to be able to handle their own retirement accounts - isn't that the purpose of Social Security? The cushion that an IRA, et. al., offers is still a piece that is supposedly handled by people that have some idea as to what they're doing - not Joe Bag O'Donuts next door. Republicans don't think that people with small investments are worth supporting in this measure, as they get their support from those money managers who are handling all the IRAs. You're going to take away their revenue stream.

Second, it seems that more people have problems with their existing mortgages. Emptying out their IRAs will have already occurred in some cases, in an attempt to stave off that foreclosure. Others will have to figure out how to draw out that IRA to buy fresh real estate while still being upside down on their existing mortgage. How do you handling buying a $300k home, with your $250k IRA when you already owe $250k on a house now valued at $200k? Insert whatever relevant numbers you want here, the problem is still the same.

Third, how do you convince people that investing in real estate is a good idea. [My city] ranks third among emptying cities. There's a glut of available real estate, and the prices continue to drop, but even those people with money are refusing to part with it - at least not for tickets that pricey. It's the same reason car sales have dropped. You can survive in a house with drafty windows and too small rooms, while you wait for the recovery. You can milk another 20 thousand miles out of that car, squirreling away the finally-relieved car payments, rather than upgrade, just to make sure that HP doesn't decide to downsize your department.

All that being said, I do think that your idea seems worthwhile. The problem has always been what the Dutch discovered hundreds of years ago - it's all just a bunch of tulips. Speculation leads to false value leads to soaring investment, finally to gossamer worth. When you discover all it ever was is a flower, then it all falls down on itself. Real estate has a quantifiable value. While it may not always be monetary, it is always concrete in its being. (Picture bad pun here.)

Hope that helps.



I replied as follows:


Hey there, I really appreciate you looking at it and giving me this well-considered feedback.

I'm a strong free market guy, so my best hope of sponsorship is not in either of the parties as you say, but in think tanks like Cato, Hudson, AEI. If they get behind something like it, the Republicans may pick it up in their role as opposition.

There is nothing for Republicans from Wall Street anymore, and no risk in attacking the franchise of the investment companies, banks and financial advisors.

You allude to a major problem that bothers me too: the fact that people are struggling when they have money that could help them, or are being subjected to penalties when they go into that money. I think it would be best to get rid of these penalties for the duration of the crisis. (Or forever.)

The candidates for buying condos in Florida and Phoenix are not the people who are upside down in their principal residence. They are the ones who could take $75k out of their accounts and finance $25-50k . . . in other words, buyers who would buy with a low loan-to-value ratio, if not a zero LTV.

I would be the last guy to try to convince anybody that they should do this or that with their money. Some people would make this choice freely if it were open to them. I sure would. That said, I believe the loss of confidence in financial assets will last for many years, while there is some baseline real-life demand for real estate. As you say, it is concrete and you can live in it.

If governments gets things wrong now and print money to paper over the cracks in the system, we will get to where you need bushel baskets of dollar bills to buy a Big Mac. The gold price is telling you there is real concern about this outcome. Real estate prices are indexed for inflation, but financial asset prices generally are not.



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